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Two websites working perfect under SAFE MODE
gokcer:
My hosting company has an error log for the visitors.
For ardaerdik.com since 01.01.2006,
the total of Active-x / plug-in errors are "6" in 6891 different visitors
(i think some of them about the online radio which isn't a must for browsing).
And for reta.com.tr
"9" in 17852 different visitors.
Not a problem for me :)
I think your reference site (web pages that suck) must be updated.
Or you may want to do that for your own design principles. :wink:
--- Quote ---Wow, your page re-sizes my browser.. As a web user/designer I'll tell you this much, resizing peoples browser is a crappy move.. You may want to change that.
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Thanks Fratm you're right I've missed that :)
mysticcowboy:
--- Quote from: gokcer on May 08, 2006, 09:20:28 AM ---
I think your reference site (web pages that suck) must be updated.
Or you may want to do that for your own design principles. :wink:
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I guess it's a matter of whether you want your site to be "Cool" or you want it to work as a business tool. There really isn't anything to update. All the usability research around says the same thing. If your visitors don't instantly understand the page, some of them will leave. That's means knowing exactly where they are in the site without having to hover over a non-standard icon.
I once believed, like you, that the more graphically interesting a site is the better. That was before I worked in a university computer lab. I saw person after person come to me for help because they couldn't understand a web page. Then when I worked for a time doing usabiltiy testing for the university, I really found out that simple and obvious is better.
We want to give people the benefit of the doubt and think they can figure things out. Unfortunately it doesn't work in most cases. Any opportunity you give someone to not understand will be taken.
If your site is an art project or a personal site that is more about you than the visitor, the go ahead and hide your links behind whatever graphic your want. If you want your site to be for the customer, make it as easy as possible. Is that out of date? :wink:
gokcer:
--- Quote ---If your site is an art project or a personal site that is more about you than the visitor, the go ahead and hide your links behind whatever graphic your want. If you want your site to be for the customer, make it as easy as possible. Is that out of date?
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First of all these are the sites about advertising sector in where art an business works together. Then I "very very" :) agree with you about that a site must have an easy accessibility, more than design. This isn't the point that i told to be updated. Your reference's criterions on "being an accessible web site" must be updated. Not only me, my counter says that ... All of my potential customers have flash and java enabled in their systems. % 90 of visitors use winXP sp2 and %8 of them use MacOsX operating systems in which flash plugin included. Target audience is a better reference than some "anti-interactivity supporters". So if you think that "flash and dhtml menus are handicap on being accessible", this is out of date ...
mysticcowboy:
--- Quote from: gokcer on May 09, 2006, 08:21:40 AM ---First of all these are the sites about advertising sector in where art an business works together. Then I "very very" :) agree with you about that a site must have an easy accessibility, more than design. This isn't the point that i told to be updated. Your reference's criterions on "being an accessible web site" must be updated. Not only me, my counter says that ... All of my potential customers have flash and java enabled in their systems. % 90 of visitors use winXP sp2 and %8 of them use MacOsX operating systems in which flash plugin included. Target audience is a better reference than some "anti-interactivity supporters". So if you think that "flash and dhtml menus are handicap on being accessible", this is out of date ...
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I believe that you misunderstand what I'm saying. I have no problems with Flash if it's done well. But doing it well goes far beyond making an interesting design and animation. It includes making it both accessible and usable.
The accessibility problems are with the lack of text equivalents for the Flash navigation. That makes it much harder for search engines to index the page because search engines don't read Flash. It's possible to make the Flash accessible and if that's done there is no problem. I saw no text equivalents when I viewed your topframe.htm page. this isn't just about accessibility to peole with handicaps.
The usability problem comes in two forms. The first is with the "mystery meat navigation." Believe what you want, but every usability study ever done says that navigation works best when there are text links to go with icons.
In this case there aren't even icons. A visitor has to guess that your page title is also your navigation section. Then they have to guess what the letters mean. It looks great but is not user friendly.
The other usability problem is with frames. It is perfectly possible for a search engine to link to the individual pages contained within your frameset. Then if someone comes to your site from Google or Yahoo on one of those pages, they actually visit the page without the rest of the frameset. That's why modern designers don't do frames. They are totally out of date in the world of search engine optimization. You can get the same effect with CSS and a couple of lines of JavaScript.
You've done excellent design work. From what you say, you've considered some of the accessibility issues in the Flash animation. If you take the time to finish the site to address the other considerations, then it will not only look good but reach a larger audience and make it easier to use when they do visit.
gokcer:
--- Quote ---I believe that you misunderstand what I'm saying.
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Thanks for your comments. The hidding navigation is a concept for that site. It is an "idea", like that "in marketing strategies creative works show something but tell another thing". The people who wrote in the guest book understands and likes that. They mostly write about the concept of menu. Many times I've heard from my company custumers "your site's idea was a factor in choosing to work with you" for both ardaerdik.com and reta.com.tr.
If we talk about a portal, an internet magazine or an e-commerce system you're absolutely right about easy navigating. Also this site is not an advertising portal; this site is an advertising by itself, like the sites of Nike, Cocacola, Ferrari, Pepsi ... etc. Check out them. Those are billion dolars budgeted companies. And all of them works with the best marketing professionals in the world. Can you say these sites are out of date? If you say you may hear that "The criterions of being a trademark's site or a portal is different. Like the difference between a newspaper and a poster. We make posters and you say:' These are not good newspapers' :) Portals have more temporary and up to date information that the aim is to give them purely. But our aim is to inject our marks to people's brain. And the best injector for "mark injection" is "idea". Nobody remembers or change his shopping prefences between different marked equal products with pure and easy information."
I want you to check out my another site that had been finalist of "sectoral section golden web award" in Turkey: http://www.ucde.com.tr This company has two websites. The other one is only for information about products. This one is an advertising only. And I have had many custumers that's why this site is in my portfolio. They say that and it's the money.
I agree with you about the framesets in ardaerdik.com. I don't like framesets. I prefer iframe if necessary. But Mr. Arda Erdik especially wanted that. I will show your comments to him on this point. But search engines redirects the page to the mainframeset index, so the problem is not much here. In reta.com.tr I used "div tag" for the scroll bar.
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