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laetta:
@Dietmar

--- Quote ---Everybody is willing to learn.
--- End quote ---
It doesn't seem so as you prove right now:

--- Quote ---It's more important to fix some modules...
--- End quote ---
defintely not.
It is exactly what I meant with "ignoring".
Instead of answering the questions from Argos or explaining/modifying your post here
https://forum.WebsiteBaker.org/index.php/topic,19234.0.html
you are going to talk about modules, and this has nothing to do with this thread.

Seems that it makes no sense to post here again for obviously you did not want to understand what the intention of my post was.

laetta

crnogorac081:
According to this post: https://forum.WebsiteBaker.org/index.php/topic,19234.0.html , the Board stated to respect other members.

I would like to be respected, and to get answer to my question..(let the Board step up, and make an example how they respect community members..)

I dont want to have a fight with anyone here, just want to know the heck happened...

ivan

pcwacht:
Didn't spoke yet about this and simular matters, cause I didn't know what constructive to ask, say or contribute
but I was somewhat worried.

By now I am more then somewhat worried and I regret that, but still haven't something to contribute.

I sincerely hope in time I'll be proven wrong to be worrying.


John

Ruud:
@laetta,
(As a board member) I respect your opinion. And I am glad to see there still are people that really seem to worry about this community.
Please respect the fact that we cannot explain every detail that is discussed in board meetings as well.
On issues like these there has happened much more than what you read on the forum. There are many PM's and private emails invloved too, and it would be unforgivable if we would discuss those either publicly in the forum, or even in personal communications.

One line in your message is especially worrying to me.

--- Quote from: laetta on September 15, 2010, 12:04:35 PM ---You should keep in mind that users don't have to be member of your association to make up their mind about WB and to post some ideas.

--- End quote ---
Please keep in mind that the association is nothing more than "your" community. The community members have elected us to represent the them and try to prevent WB from the certain death it was heading to.
In the end.. without you, there would be no association, without the association there would be no WB anymore.

@ivan
Of course we respect you and your contribution to the community.
But it will not help you or any of us if a discussion about personal differences would be held publicly with the world as an audience.
Explaining in detail about any issue with another member would be disrespectful against all other members. I really hope you can understand and appreciate this.

@all
Please remember the board is elected by the community to help the community in making WebsiteBaker better. Not to be referees in personal fights or vendetta's. We are not professional "people-managers", we are just people like yourselves who try to keep the WB project alive to the best of their abilities.
If you feel we are not doing a good job, spend some of your personal time and get yourself involved in the project. Maybe on the next elections you could be one of the responsible board members.

As a personal note:
Currently, less than 10 people are spending most of their free time and for some even lots of money to keep this project alive. I hope you can agree that they deserve a little respect and room for errors too.
Demands and accusations like expressed in this tread do not help us in staying motivated to do the job you asked us to do.

Ruud

laetta:
@Ruud
first of all thank you for commenting my post.
But some things are obviously misunderstandings or wrong.
I never asked for details of board meetings but details to whom your apologize is adressed and some clarification (Argos asked for too) what exact happened that users had been banned ( so other users can avoid banning).


--- Quote ---Please keep in mind that the association is nothing more than "your" community. The community members have elected us to represent the them and try to prevent WB from the certain death it was heading to.
--- End quote ---
This is wrong. I (for example) was not asked to elect anyone and as I can read from the association's statute only association members are allowed to elect. And you should know that. I am sure that only less community members are part of the association. This is the reason why I stated

--- Quote ---You should keep in mind that users don't have to be member of your association to make up their mind about WB and to post some ideas.
--- End quote ---

But maybe this is the problem at all:
I don't think that community/forum members feel being part of the association. And as you can read on the forum the informations given from the association referring to their work and the future of this project were seen as very poor.
Therefore it seems that 2 groups had growed: the association and the community. And most community members obviously don't want to be part of the association for several different reasons. In my case because I don't want to spent too much time in front of the PC and rather spent my free time with my family (and some hobbies). So I appreciate what all (community members and association menbers) are doing for this project.
But the less informations (some may call it ignoring) coming from the board seem to be a problem for the community. Maybe this is the reason why community members are not willing to be involved in the association? I don't really know, but I hope this thread will help to change things ( see it as my contribution).


--- Quote ---Please remember the board ... to help the community in making WebsiteBaker better
--- End quote ---
But in fact the association acts like a closed shop. There are many posts ( most in the active german forum)  that especially critisize the acting as "super teacher" and prevent people from contributing what ever (ideas, views, modules,snippets).
Maybe my post helps to think things over and change "information policy".

And at last refferring to your personal notes:
Only ask for respect for association mebers if you are willing to respect others that spent a lot of time in contributions for the project being not members of the association (and 2 of the 3 were not member at that time, in the meantime the third had left the association too as he stated on the forum, so don't wonder if you are less than 10?).
It is no problem if people make errors as long as they stick to them, say that things went wrong and apologize for the "wrong acting". And learn for the future.
But not writing "mystic" unclear posts and don't apologize to the one(s) who had been treated falsely without naming them.

If Klaus (or the association board) would have done this thread had never been opened.

laetta
who will now keep quiet and calm again

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