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crnogorac081:
--- Quote from: Ruud on September 15, 2010, 11:27:38 PM ---@ivan
Of course we respect you and your contribution to the community.
But it will not help you or any of us ..
--- End quote ---
Yes it will, that is the whole point.. This looks like a big pushing things under the carpet. There are serious circumstances unrevealed that happened behind the scene. I find it very concerning that few of the leaders of WB e.V. got banned ? And now some of them left?? If you find this "normal", than I am not normal at all.. Then, how can leaders be banned from forum???? What did they do? Swear eachothers mother ? And again a blank apologize to all/some of them and a lot of unfinished story about the reasons that came to that action..
I am really trying to understand what happened here and why the leadership is split..
ivan
BlackBird:
I'd like to thank "laetta" for his/her statement. I think (s)he has brought some things that go wrong at the moment to the point.
@Ivan: I can only speak for myself. I was banned for repeated criticism, which was seen as personal attacks. I am not going to comment this any further. I know it must be hard to understand for those who don't speak German, but that's all I can say about this.
"laetta" found the right words for most of the things that trouble me, too. The most important thing I have to criticise is the lack of respect that is shown by some members of the backend team. Of course, this will lead to a lack of respect _for_ the backend team. I was attacked in the official forum by the team leader and other team members when I was in the backend team, which was the reason for me to leave.
I really appreciate the statements that we all should try to find back to a regardful and kind dealing. It is not my intend to have personal wars or to push WB over the cliff to it's death. Quite the converse. Most of us are keen people, und where passion is involved, the things sometimes escalate. I hope that all the people involved have the will to make it better from now on.
pcwacht:
--- Quote ---The most important thing I have to criticise is the lack of respect that is shown by some members of the backend team. Of course, this will lead to a lack of respect _for_ the backend team. I was attacked in the official forum by the team leader and other team members when I was in the backend team, which was the reason for me to leave.
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is wat worries me the most, seems to me the smartests are leaving. Some allso leaving WB in whole.
If from a group the most smartests are leaving what will be in the group?
Enfin, enough said.
aldus:
- Qui tacet, consentire videtur -
I've placed it centered - as you can //see// this in two ways at all; the silence of the community (i'm not asking about »what the community is« or how it could be defined in any way - as i'm a not a sociologist) and the silence of the board [-members{0,1}] to these questions at all.
Even the <<silence>> of the »community« isn't a <<yes>>/ nor a <<no>> at a all - even the silence of the board should not be a <<yes>>!
Kind regards
Aldus
[edit]Reason: typos, typos, typos ... [/edit]
crnogorac081:
@aldus
Mate, I didnt understood your saying..
What I want is to pass over the silence and open discussion. If someone made a mistake..*hit happens, we are all humans.. If there were some critics, they are ment to go in positive way. For the past years I am here, I am not part of any group/board/team so I am speaking as a part of FORUM community and I dont want to take sides or defend anyone.
For the good of the project, I think that some people need to say "Im sorry" , and to politely invite people who left to come back.. I think that is the best for the WB, of course if there is still a space for that..
I also have heard wit a person who left, and in respect to him and some other people I will not say a single word any more on this subject... now I leave it to all of you leaders to reconsider your actions and possible consequences..
I would not like to see WB going down and down..
Ivan
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