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Artisteer? anyone?
albatros:
--- Quote from: brent on October 10, 2009, 07:35:21 PM ---The bottom line is, this product produces great results with other CMS.
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Hi,
I know a little bit about A.-templates for Joomla. They are ok for people, who don't whant to learn anything about css, xhtml etc. And, very important, they are ok if you take them as they are. But if you whant to change anything later on, it is absolutely horrible.
Another point. It is a commercial product. That means, people pay for it. But looking for help and support, many of them don't get any help by Aristeer and they whant to get it buy supporters in other forums. And now we are at the beginning of my posting again. :-D
Why should a developer/coder/supporter in a WB-forum force this. She/he must be crazy!
regards
Uwe
brent:
--- Quote from: albatros on October 10, 2009, 09:45:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: brent on October 10, 2009, 07:35:21 PM ---The bottom line is, this product produces great results with other CMS.
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Why should a developer/coder/supporter in a WB-forum force this. She/he must be crazy!
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Nobody is forcing anything. I saw a pracrtical use for a product and wondered if it was possible, that's all. But all I get is this is garbage, etc. Real immature responses because you don't care for a product. Thanks anyhow, I won't force this down your throats anymore.
mr-fan:
--- Quote ---Thanks anyhow, I won't force this down your throats anymore.
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hi brent,
don't be displeased!
noone want you refuse!
you just asked - and get some answers.... :wink:
it is fact - WB is not perfect - but perfectly easy to use for a CMS -
and it is a fact - that everyone that will get a functional/clean/beautyfull and dynamical !important website.... :-)
must have a knowledge of html/css and certainly a little bit php to get a result that works real good!
==ok== if you combine this two fact's you will get the key:
1. artisteer is for a) customers that don't wanna pay a desinger/coder for his work
b) webdesigners/coder that are make fast and tacky work for stingy customers and they build up no
relationships in a long term view.... :wink:
c) people that are don't wanna learn something but can something....
it is a kind of taste if you use it or not!
you can use every tool for WB templates!
to change a html/css bluprint to a WB template is a questions about some hours (for me as i'm not a pro :-D)
the tricky thing is the dynamic menu:
--- Quote ---For me its difficult to use programs like DHTML Menu and Allweb menus to create menus that will work dynamically with WSB.
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this is something to learn, too - f*** always learning - no time for work and sparetime..... :-o
no just kidding - showmenu2 function is not so hard to get it...and this forum is full with advice and help for this issue!
but - don't be amazed if you ask someone for a product that is more a business rival than a tool...since it is created more for normal users and customers as for desingers and coders....just my minds
regards martin
(i'm not a prodesinger or coder - this is more a real vested hobby than work - so don't apply my words on a assay balance (german adage))
myownserver:
Hey Brent,
I'm not sure what you're knowledge level is, but if you want to team up on this, I'll work with you to try and figure out what it'd take to convert an Artisteer template to WSB.
I'm by no means bias to any software that makes life easier. And since it's the design people see, not the code, I could care less how "ugly" the html is. And I can learn every web design language out there and it won't help me create good looking website templates, because I flat out suck at graphical and layout design. So something like Artisteer comes as a HUGE help since I can get the design really close to something I like, then tweak it into what I actually want. It saves TONS of time than hand-coding it, although yes, the code is a bit of a pain, but easy enough to modify once you've used it a time or two.
The bias remarks just make me rather use one of the CMS programs that it DOES work with, because it creates turn-key templates for them. But Most of them are far more "heavier" than what I'm looking for in a CMS, which restrict my ability to freely build a dynamic content site on a framework that allows easy management of it's content. Drupal is probably the best one I've seen yet in the heavier department, but it's still way too much for the simpler needs I'm looking for.
Anyways, I'll spend some time looking into it and seeing if converting an Artisteer template can be done fairly easily, which it should considering the amount of detail put into the template documentation. That's been one of my main determining factors for choosing a CMS . . . the template system. I want the ability to easily generate a theme without spending too much time on creating the theme, but still offering the ability to easily change designs for multiple layouts.
Kudos to all of you who have nothing better to do than hand-code every single line of code. For me, I've got a life that involves a wife, child, and other people and I'd rather spend time with them than making sure I've "hand-coded" everything I'm using for the sake of bragging rights or whatever reason you care for that. If it looks good, who really cares?
brent:
Hi myownserver,
I understand the problem well. I'm too busy as well with family and a job to spend countless hours to spend on something that may be so called "clean" but not very appealing or productive unless you have those graphic art skills, which I don't. I was looking for the right balance between productivity and creativity. Many people like the product and it yields decent results with other CMS. The problem is that some of the other CMS like Joomla are too complicated on the backend for the average client. WSB is lightweight and intuitive to end users. If there was some way to get Artisteer to work with WSB, I think there would be less complaints after seeing the results. There'll always be those folks who get the satisfaction out of handcoding everything and that's alright, but its not productive for everyone to do it that way. I'm a Delphi programmer, so some of this is different and confusing to me as it is another language. I've tested the product on both Firefox and Internet Explorer, and a couple other browsers, the results appeared exactly the same and they load fast. So I don't know what the big deal is, the client could care less as long as it does this at a minimum.
The menus are where I would have the most problem, I'm able to get content and most everything else to work. If you are anyone else is willing to take a stab at it, it would be great. I really would prefer not to use Joomla or Drupal. Thanks for at least sounding positive.
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