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brent:
I was just wondering if anyone has been able and has a proven method of using Artisteer CMS template designer with WebsiteBaker. WebsiteBaker is a wonderful CMS but I think its main shortfall, at least for me, is the ability to easily create menus/submenus dynamically. I've created templates and have been able to easily populate content, etc. For me its difficult to use programs like DHTML Menu and Allweb menus to create menus that will work dynamically with WSB. Artisteer makes some great looking designs but so far is useless when trying to link menus/sub menus with WSB.  Works great with Joomla, but Joomla has a difficult overblown backend for most end users compared to the intuitive one that WSB has.

I've been using WSB for a couple of years, I'm not a big time coder, so I don't have the answer, but with a simple way of creating the menus and applying it for use with Artisteer or a menu generator of some kind would make all the difference. For me, being productive is being able to provide the client with an attractive design without having to spend hours and hours trying to figure out something that should be fairly simple to do, and then getting the product to the customer. Once again, WSB is a great CMS, but I think needs some help  with dynamic menu creation.

Stefek:
Artisteer won't work good with WB.
And the HTML Artisteer outputs is really crappy.

Menues have to be coded with show_menu/2 anyway.

I can't enourage anyone to use this product.

It's easier to learn HTML from the bottom as to get sites created with Artisteer.

Kind Regards,
Stefek

mr-fan:
hi,

if you look at the great "overview" from the artisteer page......  :-D


--- Quote ---4. You don't need to learn Photoshop, CSS, HTML and other Web technologies to create great looking designs, including images and buttons.
--- End quote ---

and then also at the same time........ :-P


--- Quote ---8. Learn how to create professional HTML and CSS code.
--- End quote ---

and.....my favorite...... :evil:

--- Quote ---10.
If you don't have the time, hire your kids to create great looking web design for you.
--- End quote ---

i don't wanna a page created by kid's....and i don't think customers did not, too?

regards martin

brent:
Hey guys I think you are great,
but I'm not here to argue or insult anyone and I have not done so. The bottom line is, this product produces great results with other CMS. It may not be perfect, but neither is anything else created by humans which includes WSB. WSB is a great product, but it also has its faults. The bottom line is what the customer wants. Most customers are not technicians and are not concerned with whether or not the beautiful and functional website is created by manually written perfect code (it never is anyway), or if it was created with Dreamweaver, Expression, FrontPage, and numerous others. They want their site to work and look good with most browsers even if there may be some slight draw backs in achieving this.
 
Sometimes we have to stop thinking like programmers alone and consider the audience and the final product. Does it do the job? Does it suit the customer's needs? Did the tool although not perfect, used to create the product, produce the desired results in minimal time and at minimal costs? I'm sure the shirt on my back may not pass the stitch test if I have a so called professional inspect it, but it looks decent on my back and serves the purpose. I don't even know what brand sewing machine was used to create it or if it was sewed by hand, but it does the job.

We can sit for years and criticize each other's methods of coding or tool that was used to create a product but that does not produce results that work for everyone. So if this Artisteer tool serves the purpose of rendering the proper results for the customer and the web designer, it really should not matter to someone else. If it does not work with WSB I can certainly live with that and move on, but it does not make Artisteer or WSB undesirable products.

I still would appreciate any constructive help, Thanks!

Hans>NULL:
Artisteer  :cry:
A big s***

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