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Offline Vlob

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the website baker website
« on: November 16, 2022, 04:17:18 PM »
Is there any reason why the official website baker website is so crappy in so many ways.

How can it be that the best cms one can find has such a poor, unprofessional website? Or is this on purpose and is the staff holding on to some sort of nostalgic layout?

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2022, 04:46:10 PM »
You mean https://WebsiteBaker.org ?
Do you want create a new one?

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2022, 05:13:30 PM »
Im working on it but dont have much time at this point
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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2022, 10:24:04 AM »
DBS: that feels a bit like you take it as an insult. That was never my intention. I was just surprised that with a cms like Website baker and the -in my opinion- skilled people here the website does not show any quality.

If you look at Website Baker as a whole the website tears it down. If a new of searching webdeveloper finds the website he will most likely pass before trying and that is such a shame because Website Baker outclasses the vast majority of CMS-systems on this planet.

So that said, to answer you question: yes I do, or at least help out together with you, Crnogorac and the other top-level contributors here. I haven't been too active for a few years but am ready for the future and in need of a first class system with a first class look and feel.

Crnogorac: great to hear that, I would like to offer my skills, opinions and experience to both help and suggest. Feel free to contact me and tell me more about the plans and situation

Meanwhile I am building an new backend theme (and while at it tearing down some of the dull layouts of the modules), made a preview-function for the wysiwyg-module and am now preparing for a landingspage module which provides in A/B testing but first thing on the list is expanding the possibillities of the newsmodule with a.o. extra fields, a photo-uploader and a photo gallery option.


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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2022, 10:39:48 AM »
A query for my understanding

Is it about the content or is it about the template used on all WebsiteBaker pages?
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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2022, 10:49:14 AM »
but first thing on the list is expanding the possibillities of the newsmodule with a.o. extra fields, a photo-uploader and a photo gallery option.

Appreciate the effort you're putting into 'our' WB! As for that news module: I never use the standard module anymore, but OneForAll that has exactly that: make your own fields, photo-uploader + gallery with lightbox. Just saying :)
(In fact I am surprised not many more people use OneForAll, together with the supporting modules OneForAll Anyitems, Topitems, ItemGroup and AllItems it's the most powerfull module around...)

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2022, 11:26:02 AM »
A query for my understanding

Is it about the content or is it about the template used on all WebsiteBaker pages?

If you visite the awful thing and look around you will notice it is both a pretty enormous drama ;)

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2022, 11:26:44 AM »
DBS: that feels a bit like you take it as an insult. That was never my intention. I was just surprised that with a cms like Website baker and the -in my opinion- skilled people here the website does not show any quality.

If you look at Website Baker as a whole the website tears it down. If a new of searching webdeveloper finds the website he will most likely pass before trying and that is such a shame because Website Baker outclasses the vast majority of CMS-systems on this planet.

So that said, to answer you question: yes I do, or at least help out together with you, Crnogorac and the other top-level contributors here. I haven't been too active for a few years but am ready for the future and in need of a first class system with a first class look and feel.

Crnogorac: great to hear that, I would like to offer my skills, opinions and experience to both help and suggest. Feel free to contact me and tell me more about the plans and situation

Meanwhile I am building an new backend theme (and while at it tearing down some of the dull layouts of the modules), made a preview-function for the wysiwyg-module and am now preparing for a landingspage module which provides in A/B testing but first thing on the list is expanding the possibillities of the newsmodule with a.o. extra fields, a photo-uploader and a photo gallery option.


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Im also building backend theme based on bootstrap 5
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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2022, 11:26:54 AM »
Mudule you can never have enough, so like to make WB even better with even more good modules.

A conversion to TWIG of supplied "core modules" is always welcome by the developers.

Where WebsiteBaker always pays attention to security and current php versions.

Other CMS have put more emphasis on "appearance", but security features have already been circumvented in the core.
This is not possible with WebsiteBaker.

I as a "user only" do not get along with OFA, but with News I do. If there is then a "news new" with more functionality, everyone will benefit.

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2022, 11:28:28 AM »
(In fact I am surprised not many more people use OneForAll, together with the supporting modules OneForAll Anyitems, Topitems, ItemGroup and AllItems it's the most powerfull module around...)

I heared that a while ago, I will for sure dive into that next week, thanks

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2022, 03:43:49 PM »
only, to think about it....
it is not possible, to build a TWIG-Backend-Theme without changes in the core.
a "core-module" (see part of the name = core) is part of the core and part of the package. Of Course, i can build a twig-based version of a core-module, but the developers needs the same time, to check my result, line by line. The same for some advanced function in working modules like news etc. i add for the news module in the past a special block for some autor infos, like contact via phone, email, autor picture etc, maybe, you know it from newspaper pages, but it is my private version, not possible, to make a publish version, because, it's a core module. I can change the module name and use it as 3th-Party-module, but it make no sense for me. Better solution (in my eyes): add this functions in one of the next version of the news-module, switchable in the module settings or something like that.
Another example: i add a extended search function in the foldergallery. in the actual published version, you can search for a picture title or the picture description, if in use. But if you dont use this title or descriptions, you get no results for something from the foldergallery. I add fields for gallery description, location, eventstart & -end, termininfo, autorinfo etc. Is it a good idea? for my usage: YES, but for all? Not sure.

I build a lot of tools and page module with twig in my own style. It has a special folderstructure and use everytime the latest and newest WB-functions, so i'm sure, i can use this module also in the future of wb without problems.
my problem: is my way also the way from WB? can i use my structure as modell for other modules too? From my view, is this the main problem: you need an example module (like the old Hello-World-Module). if i read the postings, i see a lot of activist's, People who sacrifice their free time to build something new, but everybody use a own way. This can be a problem in the future, because, not every solution will work in the future or is a good solution for WB.
i've access to the newest testversion of wb and with every new version, i check at first, what is new. Yeah, my modules works with this version, but is it possible, to make something better? Is there a new function somewhere inside of the core? But what is, if somebody say's, my way is not our way, is not the way from WB? i can put all my modules into the basket (a lot of modules, the first one was from 2015) or i use it for my own. I've a lot of friends or customers with this modules. What can i do? Delete this, it will not longer work? Not possible for me to build new versions of this modules in a new code style, if needed. And thats, why we need some module guidelines.

a very simple example is the wb-intern function get_user_id(), changed in the newer WB-Versions to getUserId(). A lot of modules use this code, to get the user-id from the actual user for the question: is this the superadmin or not.
Simple, to change the code for me , but there are a lot of users with some problems about this in the future. you've to fix nearly every module in the download-area for this

maybe the project-page is a solution for that, specially for the core modules and to add there some idea's, because, the core modules are developed by Dietmar.
i remember, that i show a twig-version in my module style from the output-filter-module in the past (long time ago), but it was a wrong time, WB was not ready for this. if i see the actual version of this module, i must say, my way was not wrong. The module has now some newer features, but the structure was right and thats, what i mean. Its simple, to use this module as guideline for the admintools and build the used admin tools in twig-based structure, but if everybody use a own solution, it will not work and that is a waste of work and effort

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2022, 04:15:20 PM »
DBS: that feels a bit like you take it as an insult. That was never my intention. I was just surprised that with a cms like Website baker and the -in my opinion- skilled people here the website does not show any quality.
This template was made by (or based on) an old WB user John Broeckaert.
I think it is not so bad like you say.
The people with skills here are also people with less time to create a WOW template.
The current template is a step vorward if you remember the old template.

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2022, 04:49:04 PM »
Hello,

What you can do about twig theme is to generate code and via ajax to load it in container.
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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2022, 12:36:43 AM »
This template was made by (or based on) an old WB user John Broeckaert.
I think it is not so bad like you say.

The ultra crappy low res header image and the fact that the side menu is made of images leaves the visitor that somehow lands on the website baker page with only one thought: "I gotto get out of here and find myself a serious website cms ...

Do you really honestly think it is not that bad? It is the single most hideous website for a cms you can find.
I do not know where you all want to take website baker but whatever it is, this website is not helping and denying it surprises me the most.



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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2022, 04:52:30 PM »
The header image is not very good, I agree.
Everything else is a matter of taste.

I ask you to watch your tone. Your words show no respect for the work of others.

You are free to create a super great template.

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2022, 05:35:39 PM »
I already made the template but the code in individual pages must be adapted (for styling)
Do we have original hi-res image for wb box in header image(preferably without background) ?if so ,please send me.
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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2022, 05:43:20 PM »
the actuel header image is part of the former version of the old wb-homepage, but there was no original files in psd-format, so that it was not possible, to build a bigger version of that.
i was building a version of this in 2020 with GIMP and with some small changes and in differents versions (with or without english text). Please take a look at this and tell me, if interest. i'll send then the whole package with all Gimp-files and part to hgs. Original Picture size ist 2000 x 612 Px

The pictures here are only screenshots



or without "hardcoded" text on the picture, if you want to use HTML-Text on this place






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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2022, 06:59:46 PM »
I ask you to watch your tone. Your words show no respect for the work of others.

It is not a question about respect towards a bad crappy design, it is about respect towards yourself and the visitors that stumble upon the website and are now not left with any feeling of confidence...
anyone who does not see that needs new eyes...


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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2022, 07:06:08 PM »
Eine Verallgemeinerung bring uns keinen Schritt weiter. Ja, dass Bild war ein Kompromiss, weil es die Originale irgendwo auf einer HDD gibt. Der ehemalige USER wollte sich aber leider nicht die Mühe machen, diese zu suchen.
Und über Geschmack kann man ohne Ende und Ergebnis diskutieren.

Ein deutsche Sprichwort besagt:
"So wie man in den Wald reinruft, so schallt es zurück."

Ich bin gespannt auf das Template von crnogorac081
Und gerne sehen wir uns als Verein auch eine Vorlage von dir an,  Vlob.
Also lass dich herausfordern, die Bilder sollten nur abmahnsicher sein, die Anwälte haben zu viel Zeit im Web nach Copyright-Verletzungen zu suchen.
Generalizing doesn't get us any further. Yes, that picture was a compromise, because there is the original somewhere on an HDD. But the former USER unfortunately did not want to make the effort to search for them.
And about taste one can discuss without end and result.

A German proverb states:
"As one calls into the forest, so it resounds back."

I am curious about the template of crnogorac081
And we'd be happy to look at a template from you as a club, too, Vlob.
So be challenged, the images should only be warning safe, the lawyers have too much time to search the web for copyright infringements.

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2022, 01:15:37 PM »
...  template  ...

The template is nog the only problem, I am also curious about how it will turn out

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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2022, 02:23:50 PM »
I believe I shared template with some people here, if someone has free server I can upload it again. But also every section needs to be adapted for to new design
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2022, 03:18:07 PM »
You have received a pm with the access data to the test server
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Re: the website baker website
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2022, 09:44:53 PM »
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