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Core Web Vitals problem with FCP and LCP

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svsanchez:
Hello dbs, I was able to create the droplet, thank you. Unfortunately, the droplet causes the same effect, degrading the SERVER RESPONSE TIME according to PageSpeed Insights.

I removed the show_menu from the BLANK template that I had created yesterday, and added the following three example pages:

EXAMPLE 1) Page using BLANK template, with NO show_menu and NO SiteMapChildRL droplet. This page achieves PERFECT score, with NO server response time issues. You can see it on the following link:

Page: https://www.deguate.com.gt/guatemala/pruebas/blank.php
PageSpeedInsights: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Flimpieza%2Fpapel-higienico.php&tab=mobile


EXAMPLE 2) Page using BLANK template, with NO show_menu but using ONE SiteMapChildRL droplet. This page's score is lower, because the SERVER RESPONSE TIME goes up to almost 4 SECONDS! From there, any other added things to the page will degrade the scores much more. You can see it on the following link:

Page: https://www.deguate.com.gt/guatemala/pruebas/blank-droplet.php
PageSpeedInsights: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Fpruebas%2Fblank-droplet.php&tab=mobile

EXAMPLE 3) Page using BLANK template, with NO show_menu but using THREE SiteMapChildRL droplets. You can see that the page's score is the same with 1 or 3 (or more) droplets, with the same degraded SEVER RESPONSE TIME of about 4 seconds. You can see it on the following link:

Page: https://www.deguate.com.gt/guatemala/pruebas/blank-multiple-droplets.php
PageSpeedInsights: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Fpruebas%2Fblank-multiple-droplets.php&tab=mobile

What I am desperately looking for is a way to show the Breadcrumbs / Menus / Child pages without causing the server response time issue.

Thank you!

crnogorac081:
Hello,

dont bother with this, of course if website has more database queries or included scripts it will take more time to load. By making these pages faster will not rank your website better. What is possible here is that developers  make one database query for page tree and to put it in global variable. Then you could make menu ad breadcrumbs and sitemap

svsanchez:
Hello Crnogorac081


--- Quote ---By making these pages faster will not rank your website better.
--- End quote ---

You are not correct Crnogorac081, Google takes into account the speed of the sites as a ranking factor, and starting in May, this will be a very important factor determining the position of your pages. They will be using something they call CORE WEB VITALS (CWV), and in fact Google's John Mueller just said that now was the time to learn to fix the Core Web Vitals as doing so would mean you can make a lot of money as an SEO specialist, due to all the site owners scrambling to make their sites faster to regain their lost SERPs when the CWV update starts in May.

You can read more about Core Web Vitals here: https://www.internetx.com/en/news-detailview/core-web-vitals-as-ranking-factor/#:~:text=Core%20Web%20Vitals%20will%20become,for%20the%20respective%20search%20queries.


--- Quote ---What is possible here is that developers  make one database query for page tree and to put it in global variable.
--- End quote ---

I am not a programmer but I also believe that WB somehow checks the whole DB every time it has to display a page, which is causing the apparent slow server response time. Removing the menus (either Show_Menu2 or the SiteMapChildRL Droplet) instantly solves the problem, but leaves us with an impossible to navigate site.

This may not be a problem for small sites, but bigger sites will definitely get smashed by Google's new CWV update. My two main WB sites have more than 3000 pages each (which is not that much), and they are suffering a great deal from this.

It would be great if there was a way to insert the menus in a way that doesn't have to check the whole DB, or whatever is happening under the hood!

dbs:
We can try another way. Loading a static menu.
Only for testing if this is faster as generating the menu for every page load.

In your index of the template (before DOCTYPE) we define a variable with your menu.
Then we ask if the visitor is logged in or not. If not:
- we give him a static menu
- we create this file in this moment in the WB root
- in your index in the body where the menu is normally called we ask again if the visitor is logged in or not
- if not we give him the static menu else the WB generated menu

I hope you are the admin and there are not many registered users.
If you give me your index i can implement this for testing.

crnogorac081:
I was testing some of my websites with very good ranking position based on seo ,and they have score around 50 in this page speed test.

What could be done regarding menu is to make one db query that would extract page tree into array at the top of template's index.php file, and then later to use it to generate menu /breadcrumbs/ sitemap

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