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LuuQ:

--- Quote ---Any webhosting server that is worth its money  offers IMAP, if not get another.
Btw. why you need IMAP when you can have Google Apps.

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I don't quite understand what you mean with this. Do you mean that I can use the features of Google Apps without IMAP and have what I want?


--- Quote ---Fear of change is never good, drives you in dependency. Never change a running system until it finally crashes and i can charge you 3000-5000$ for a complete data recovery. Ups, i forgot if somethings going wrong whith google there is no recovery.
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You're right. Of course I didn't mean to drive it until it crashes. I just mean, that as long as it does what you want, you don't always have to make your life more complicated by always wanting to have more, although you don't need it. Surely you have to look after you system, so you don't have to spend up to 5000$ afterwards.


--- Quote ---There is no reason to thrust em. They are like any other company they work for their own benefit and nothing else. They exist to make money out of you and your clients and  to fill the pockets of the pepole who own shares of Google.
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You're right, but that's normal commercialism. Of course there are non-profit organisations or business, that provide open source products. But they also need money to survive. In the end, this is a very philosophical question. Who does not do anything for his own benefit? Even if you're giving life helping others, it's to find peace with yourself....but I think that's not the point in this thread.


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--- Quote ---I think with Google being so big and with it's big number of customers it's much more transparent than other companies.
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Ok, then tell me where to find information on how google rates its search results. Please some exact information, not just guesses.  
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I can't. And I don't care so much about that. I think I know what you want to refer to: that this is not really fair, that Googles search result ratings should be open to everyone. I agree with that.


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--- Quote ---And until now I never heard in the news that some customers were moaning about Google breaching data security concerning its mail services.
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http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2010/09/googles-internal-security-brea.php
or just google for  "Google breaching data security"
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Sometimes we don't use the right keywords for searching with google. Thank you for that.


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--- Quote ---Most spam filters are scanning the content of a mail for information. Or is that not right?
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If my mailfilters would do this my clients could get me to prison for up to 5 years. Scanning other people's private mail is not allowed in Germany. But Google can easily break the law cause their mailservers do not reside here in germany. So, cause they are such a big company they dont need to take care of such silly things like local laws. Do yo think they care a s*** about your privacy ?
Btw. Mailfilters scan the text for certain words or certain virus/spam fingerprints they never read the information itself and they never store pieces of information for later use.
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I have to admit that it's a different between scanning content and storing content. Good point!


--- Quote ---If your next question is why i can be sure that this mailfilter really does not do any nasty things thats the part where open source comes into play. Its cause of thousands of pepole who read through the source and found no incidence and many of em being professional software engineers. Most webhosting services are almost completely based on open source. Why dont google just make the source of their mailserver software open source.

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That would have been my next question...  :-D
But how can be sure that a company really uses this open source code or just says it does? (I don't know so much about web infrastructures and how it can be controlled or screened by authorities)


--- Quote ---You are horribly wrong. Google traces your movement through doing searches while still logged on, through the use of Google analytics on many pages, through yourself using chrome or google Toolbar. The ads only trace you when you click em. Get firefox, please get it whithout google toolbar. Get a plugin like ghostery which blocks services like google analytics. Now set your firefox to private mode and there is not much left to trace you  :lol:. Especially its not posible to combine the few traces left whith your personal identity. Only with your IP and that one changes about every 24 hours on a normal Internet connection.
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Ok. Thank your for enlightening me.
But I don't understand exactly why we should block everyone from gathering some pieces of information, that might be helpful for developers to make applications or web services better (see also paragraph further below)?

Ok, I don't really know which information is gathered, to what extent I'm giving my informations to the open world.


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--- Quote ---I think Google just gathers unpersonal information for making their service better. Why not? I like it when it works and when I have more useful features. It also helps developing a better "internet".
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Read the Terms of Service, if you sign up for google mail you state thats its ok if google reads all your mail and uses it to make PERSONALISED advertisement. And no one knows for what else.

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So we shouldn't send mails to people who use Google Mail, because our mails are automatically scanned and it's content stored? Or do they just scan the mails that we send? Do we know that?


--- Quote ---And why in the world would having personalised advertisement make the web any better ?
Please explain!
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I didn't want to refer to the advertisements I can see in my Google account. I just wanted to say that I don't care about them. They don't annoy me, so I don't mind whether they are there or not.

With "making a better internet" I wanted to say, that by gathering information from website visitors, like the screen resolution or the mouse movements, we know much about visitors behaviour and how we can use that to make a better user experience. Maybe your website structure is rubbish, but you only recognize it as you notice it when you study all your website statistics. Sorry for not explaining this properly.


--- Quote ---And finally, absolutely no company gives you anything for free. They exist to make money, so if they tell you its free, there is no question that they are lying. And do you really thrust a company thats lying the first instance they say hello to you?

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Even if you pay 100 $ a month for the services a company offers, they can still be lying. Of course it's more obvious with a company that offers "free" services. But obviously the advertisement market seems to work and people seem to make enough with it.

So, I think this quite an interesting topic to talk about and I want to thank you for taking time to talk about that.
What I am now interested in is, which webhosting services you use, that provide the discussed points above?

If I'm putting the pieces together, I would come to the following positive and negative about using Google:

+ no (visible?) costs
+ IMAP
+ Sharing calendars
+ easy to handle
+ much space
+ quite fast

- no backups
- what about data security?
- stores information
- we don't know what they do with the stored information?
- advertisement (also personalized, based upon stored information)
- no open source code
- few transparency
- do they do what they say they do?


Would you agree with that? Anything else to add?

Best regards,

LuuQ

Xagone:
there is a backup system to google apps, there is a transfert in and transfert out system too if you go elsewhere, i've used it.

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